Quino's Relatives (Quino II)

A classical multi-cache which invites you for a hike of 2-3 hours in the outskirts of Graz

von cezanne     Österreich > Steiermark > Graz

N 47° 08.000' E 015° 24.000' (WGS84)

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 Größe: klein
Status: kann gesucht werden
 Zeitaufwand: 2:30 h   Strecke: 7 km
 Versteckt am: 07. Juni 2003
 Gelistet seit: 24. August 2005
 Letzte Änderung: 12. November 2023
 Listing: https://opencaching.de/OC007D
Auch gelistet auf: geocaching.com 

7 gefunden
0 nicht gefunden
7 Bemerkungen
7 Wartungslogs
1 Beobachter
0 Ignorierer
116 Aufrufe
0 Logbilder

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English description
This cache is the second in the Quino series (dedicated to Quino, a horse).

General Information:
  • This hiking multi-cache comprises six intermediary stages and the final stage. You have to find two micros and a small lock and lock container.
  • Expect a walk of about 7 km and roughly 400 height meters if you start near the location of Stage 1 and go back to your starting point. When starting from P2, the walk gets a bit longer.
    The route to the final is not a round trip. If you bring along a map and/or did not come with a vehicle, you can also choose an alternative route for the way back to civilization.
  • The terrain is easy and also suitable for children and you can stay on marked paths (except for the last meters to the hiding places). The terrain is suited also for mountain bikes and for horses.
  • If you plan to do the original version of Stage 4 (an alternative exists meanwhile), a map is strongly recommended and a compass might be helpful too but is not strictly necessary if you bring along a device which allows to measure angles on the map.

How to reach the starting point

If you come by car, do not drive to Stage 1. It used to be easy to park in a legal way closely to Stage 1 (former inn Geierkogelwirt). The situation has changed, however, over the years. You can either park at the edge of the street (not recommended), or at a larger distance, either near N 47° 08.700', E 015° 23.340' (botanic garden Rannach), near N 47° 08.670 E 015° 24.010' or along the road which leads to the botanic garden at the edge of the road.

If you wish to come by public transportation, I recommend you to take the bus 53 (53E on Sundays) to Stattegg Huberwirt and walk up to Stage 1 from there (be prepared for an additional 30-45 minutes of walking - one way). If you come by public transportation, you are free to choose your return route from the cache and to extend your walk in another direction (various alternatives exist, e.g. Fuss der Leber, Gratkorn).

Another alternative would be to come by bicycle (but take into account the height meters along your way).

Stage 1: N 47° 08.878', E 015° 24.085'

Solve the following tasks by looking around in the vicinity of Stage 1.

Task 1: Watch out for a small stone close to the road side which commemorates an anniversary of a community.
  • First year on the stone (4 digits): X
  • Second year on the stone (4 digits): Y
Task 2: Look for a rather big sign-board (main colour yellow) which can be seen from the stone.
  • Number of rules listed on the yellow sign-board: R
Task 3: (new in November 2023 as new hiking signs got placed)
Watch out for a collection of yellow hiking signs next to the junction of Geierkogelweg and Sonnenweg.
  • Largest hiking trail number mentioned on the signs (occurs twice): T

  • F = Y - 2*T - 103
  • H = 6*(Y-X-T) + 13

Stage 2: N 47° (R-1).F', E 015° 24.H' [New location, January 2007]

The area around the original hideout has become quite overgrown as a side-effect of massive tree cutting activities that took place in end of 2004.
As a consequence thereof, I moved Stage 2 to a new place in January 2007.

Search for a micro. I have hidden two micros, one as backup; for both a hint a spoiler photo are available. For the second micro apply the correction N +0.009' and E +0.011'.

Inside each of the micros (pet preforms since October 2015) there is a sheet telling you the five numbers A, B, C, D and E.

Stage 3: N 47° A.B', E 015° C.D'

Near these coordinates (watch the left side of the trail) you will find a memorial place for a man who died in an accident.

  • Day and month when the accident happened in the format ddmm: The result is J
  • U = J - B - 58
  • W = J - 911

Stage 4: N 47° A.U', E 015° C.W'

You will find yourself close to a what has been a clearing in 2003. Meanwhile the area became quite overgrown. In case you want to accomplish the original task proceed as follows.

Original task for Stage 4:
Look for a raised hide and place yourself below it.

You can now see a small chapel if the weather is not too bad (it is within a distance of 2 km and can be seen without any devices such as binoculars).
  • Determine the direction (in degrees) in which the chapel can be seen from the raised hide and round to the nearest multiple of 10: The result is P.
    (As check-up consult the hint.)
  • Number of letters of the place where the chapel is located (use your map): N
  • Q = E - P + N - 1

Alternative task for Stage 4 (added in May 2014, backup added in March 2019):
In case you do not want to bother to visit the raised hide or have issues with bad weather (no view) or have forgotten your map or just want to check your results for P and N, proceed as follows:

Continue your hike and watch out for a yellow hiking sign. To safeguard against potential troubles two versions to obtain the required numbers are offered.

Version 1: Watch out for a sticker with a telephone number attached to the hiking sign. If the number is not readable any longer, you can proceed with Version 2 and skip this task. Otherwise, write down the last four digits of this number (ignore the extension).

  • N: The third last digit of the telephone number.
  • P1: The two digit number obtained by taking together the second last and the last digit of the number (in this order).
  • P2: The two digit number obtained by taking together the fourth last and the third last digit of the number (in this order).
  • P = P1 + P2
  • Q = E - P + N - 1

Version 2: Have a closer look at the lowermost of the three yellow signs mounted to the first signpost you come across after Stage 4.

  • N: The number of capitals in the first line on this sign.
  • P3: The letter code of the first capital in this line (A=1, B=2, etc).
  • P4: The letter code of the second capital in this line.
  • P = (P3 + P4) * N
  • Q = E - P + N - 1

Stage 5: See description below (Modified text May 2009)

If you visited the raised hide go back to the trail and follow it until you meet a crossing where several hiking trails meet (Stage 5 is not far from Stage 4). On your way you will pass by a place from where you have a nice view down on some parts of the city of Graz.

At the crossing you will encounter several yellow signposts referring to hiking trails.

  • The largest trail number: L
  • The smallest trail number: S
  • K = 2*L + S - N

Stage 6: N 47° L.(E+14)', E 015° K.Q' [New location in January 2007, new backup May 2014]

Search for a micro (pet preform since October 2015). Again two were hidden to provide a backup (for the second apply the offset N +0.006' E -0.008'). For both micros a hint and a spoiler photo are available. Note however that the spoiler photo for Micro 2 is outdated - what used to be a tree is now only a tree stump.

Write down the coordinates provided in the container.

Final: (New hideout May 2014)

In May 2014 I moved the final by roughly 10m to allow for a better GPS reception and also for other reasons. To obtain the coordinates of the final apply the following offset to the minutes of coordinates you got at Stage 6:

N +0.007'
E -0.006'

Return way:

There are alternatives to the obvious way back even if you need to go back to your starting point. For example you can follow the path which leads to the cache further and then round the hill either to the left or to the right (longer and harder to find the route in the second part if you wish to minimize the involved height meters).

Verschlüsselter Hinweis   Entschlüsseln

[Stage 1, Stone:] Pybfr gb puncry
[Stage 2, Micro 2:] Sbex orgjrra gerr fghzc naq frpbaq fgrz bs gur gerr
[Stage 2, Micro 1:] Ebbgf bs n gerr jvgu znal fgrzf
[Stage 4:] Ybbx va rnfgjneq qverpgvba
[Stage 4, Check:] C qvivfvoyr ol A
[Stage 6, Micro 1:] Ynetr gerr fghzc
[Stage 6, Micro 2:] Abj n gerr fghzc, fgbar.
[Stage 7:] Haqre ynetr gerr fghzc



Spoiler: new final
Spoiler: new final
Spoiler: Stage 2, micro 1
Spoiler: Stage 2, micro 1
Spoiler: Stage 2, micro 2
Spoiler: Stage 2, micro 2
Spoiler: Stage 6, micro 1
Spoiler: Stage 6, micro 1
Spoiler: Stage 6, micro 2, close-up
Spoiler: Stage 6, micro 2, close-up
Spoiler: Stage 6, micro 2, general area
Spoiler: Stage 6, micro 2, general area


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Logeinträge für Quino's Relatives (Quino II)    gefunden 7x nicht gefunden 0x Hinweis 7x Wartung 7x

kann gesucht werden 12. November 2023 cezanne hat den Geocache gewartet

[EN:] zoidberg71 was so kind to provide me with photos of Stage 1. This allowed me to rephrase the question for variable T and to remove the temporary workaround (which contained a stupid typo) as it is not required any longer.

[DE:] zoidberg73 war so nett mir Fotos von Station 1 zu schicken. Das hat mir erlaubt die Frage für die Variable T umzuformulieren und die temporäre Lösung (die einen dummen Tippfehler enthielt) wieder zu entfernen da sie nicht mehr benötigt wird.


kann gesucht werden 05. November 2023 cezanne hat den Geocache gewartet

[EN:] I added a temporary fix for variable T. I do not know when I will have time to visit the location. Let's see whether the cache will reach its 21-st birthday. The new logging experience sucks enormously as so many recent changes of Groundspeak.

[DE:] Ich habe eine temporäre Lösung für Variable T hinzugefügt. Ich weiss nicht wann ich Zeit für einen Besuch vor Ort haben werde. Mal sehen ob der Cache seinen 21. Geburtstag erleben wird. Das neue Log-System nervt gewaltig wie soviele Änderungen bei Groundspeak in letzter Zeit.

kann gesucht werden 01. März 2019 cezanne hat den Geocache gewartet

[EN:] As there is probably an issue with the telephone number required for the alternative method for obtaining P and N at Stage 4, I have added another backup version which does not require the telephone number.

[DE;] Da es vermutlich ein Problem mit der Telefonnummer gibt, die fuer die alternative Methode zur Bestimmung von P und N bei Station 4 benoetigt wird, habe ich eine weitere Variante dazugefuegt, um diese Variablen zu ermitteln.

Hinweis Der Cache ist in gutem oder akzeptablem Zustand. Die Cachebeschreibung ist in Ordnung. 17. September 2017 cezanne hat eine Bemerkung geschrieben

[EN:] Based on today's find and the helpful mail exchange with wildtreasure I decided to reenable the cache. I slightly modified the formulation of the alternative task for Stage 4. I definitely do not want to change the style of the cache which got hidden in 2003. As a compromise I added a hint for the alternative task which can be consulted by those who would otherwise get frustrated. I also mentioned the colour of the hiking sign in the text (I have mentioned the colour already in my note a few days ago).

When I come into the area around Stage 4 I will check whether the sign post I have used disappeared. This does not play an essential role for this cache however as soon thereafter there are signposts which can be used as well.

[DE:] Basierend auf dem heutigen Fund und einem hilfreichen Mailaustausch mit wildtreasure habe ich mich entschieden den Cache wieder zu aktivieren und ihm noch eine Chance zu geben. Ich habe die Formulierung der Alternativaufgabe leicht adaptiert. Ich moechte den Stil des Caches aus dem Jahr 2003 definitiv nicht aendern. Als Kompromiss habe ich einen Hinweis fuer die Alternativaufgabe fuer Station 4 hinzugefuegt, der von jenen verwendet werden kann, die ansonsten verzweifelten. Ich habe auch die Farbe des Wanderwegweisers nun im Text erwaehnt (in der Note von vor ein paar Tagen hatte ich das schon zuvor getan).

Wenn ich in die Gegend komme, werde ich mir ansehen, ob eventuell der seinerzeit von mir verwendete Wegweiser verschwunden ist. Es spielt aber keine essentielle Rolle fuer diesen Cache, weil auf jeden Fall kurz danach auch Wegweiser vorhanden sind, mit denen die Aufgabe geloest werden kann wie sich nun erwiesen hat.

kann gesucht werden 23. Februar 2017 cezanne hat den Geocache gewartet

[EN:] I have uploaded two updated spoiler photos for Micro 2 at Stage 6 which have been kindly provided by asterix471 whose help is greatly appreciated.

[DE:] Ich habe zwei aktuelle Spoilerfotos fuer Micro 2 an Station 6 hochgeladen. Die Fotos wurden freundlicherweise von asterix471 zur Verfuegung gestellt. Vielen Dank!