Quino's Relatives (Quino II)

 A classical multi-cache which invites you for a hike of 2-3 hours in the outskirts of Graz

von cezanne     Österreich > Südösterreich > Graz

N 47° 08.000' E 015° 24.000' (WGS84)

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 Größe: klein
Status: kann gesucht werden
 Zeitaufwand: 2:30 h   Strecke: 7 km
 Versteckt am: 07. Juni 2003
 Gelistet seit: 24. August 2005
 Letzte Änderung: 23. Februar 2017
 Listing: https://opencaching.de/OC007D
Auch gelistet auf: geocaching.com 

7 gefunden
0 nicht gefunden
6 Bemerkungen
4 Wartungslogs
0 Beobachter
0 Ignorierer
67 Aufrufe
0 Logbilder

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English description
This cache is the second in the Quino series (dedicated to Quino, a horse).

General Information:
  • This hiking multi-cache comprises six intermediary stages and the final stage. You have to find two micros and a small lock and lock container.
  • Expect a walk of about 7 km and roughly 400 height meters if you start near the location of Stage 1 and go back to your starting point. When starting from P2, the walk gets a bit longer.
    The route to the final is not a round trip. If you bring along a map and/or did not come with a vehicle, you can also choose an alternative route for the way back to civilization.
  • The terrain is easy and also suitable for children and you can stay on marked paths (except for the last meters to the hiding places). The terrain is suited also for mountain bikes and for horses.
  • If you plan to do the original version of Stage 4 (an alternative exists meanwhile), a map is strongly recommended and a compass might be helpful too but is not strictly necessary if you bring along a device which allows to measure angles on the map.

How to reach the starting point

If you come by car, do not drive to Stage 1. It used to be easy to park in a legal way closely to Stage 1 (former inn Geierkogelwirt). The situation has changed, however, over the years. You can either park at the edge of the street (not recommended), or at a larger distance, either near N 47° 08.700', E 015° 23.340' (botanic garden Rannach), near N 47° 08.670 E 015° 24.010' or along the road which leads to the botanic garden at the edge of the road.

If you wish to come by public transportation, I recommend you to take the bus 45 to Stattegg Huberwirt and walk up to Stage 1 from there (be prepared for an additional 30-45 minutes of walking - one way). If you come by public transportation, you are free to choose your return route from the cache and to extend your walk in another direction (various alternatives exist, e.g. Fuss der Leber, Gratkorn).

Another alternative would be to come by bicycle (but take into account the height meters along your way).

Stage 1: N 47° 08.878', E 015° 24.085'

Solve the following tasks by looking around in the vicinity of Stage 1.

Task 1: Watch out for a small stone close to the road side which commemorates an anniversary of a community.
  • First year on the stone (4 digits): X
  • Second year on the stone (4 digits): Y
Task 2: Look for a rather big sign-board (main colour yellow) which can be seen from the stone. Attached to the same building you will also find a sign designated to hikers.
  • Number of rules listed on the yellow sign-board: R
  • Number of the hiking trail indicated on the sign: T

  • F = Y - 2*T - 103
  • H = 6*(Y-X-T) + 13

Stage 2: N 47° (R-1).F', E 015° 24.H' [New location, January 2007]

The area around the original hideout has become quite overgrown as a side-effect of massive tree cutting activities that took place in end of 2004.
As a consequence thereof, I moved Stage 2 to a new place in January 2007.

Search for a micro. I have hidden two micros, one as backup; for both a hint a spoiler photo are available. For the second micro apply the correction N +0.009' and E +0.011'.

Inside each of the micros (pet preforms since October 2015) there is a sheet telling you the five numbers A, B, C, D and E.

Stage 3: N 47° A.B', E 015° C.D'

Near these coordinates (watch the left side of the trail) you will find a memorial place for a man who died in an accident.

  • Day and month when the accident happened in the format ddmm: The result is J
  • U = J - B - 58
  • W = J - 911

Stage 4: N 47° A.U', E 015° C.W'

You will find yourself close to a what has been a clearing in 2003. Meanwhile the area became quite overgrown. In case you want to accomplish the original task proceed as follows.

Original task for Stage 4:
Look for a raised hide and place yourself below it.

You can now see a small chapel if the weather is not too bad (it is within a distance of 2 km and can be seen without any devices such as binoculars).
  • Determine the direction (in degrees) in which the chapel can be seen from the raised hide and round to the nearest multiple of 10: The result is P.
    (As check-up consult the hint.)
  • Number of letters of the place where the chapel is located (use your map): N
  • Q = E - P + N - 1

Alternative task for Stage 4 (added in May 2014):
In case you do not want to bother to visit the raised hide or have issues with bad weather (no view) or have forgotten your map or just want to check your results for P and N, proceed as follows:

Continue your hike and watch out for a (hiking) sign with a telephone number. Write down the last four digits of this number (ignore the extension).
  • N: The third last digit of the telephone number.
  • P1: The two digit number obtained by taking together the second last and the last digit of the number (in this order).
  • P2: The two digit number obtained by taking together the fourth last and the third last digit of the number (in this order).
  • P = P1 + P2
  • Q = E - P + N - 1

Stage 5: See description below (Modified text May 2009)

If you visited the raised hide go back to the trail and follow it until you meet a crossing where several hiking trails meet (Stage 5 is not far from Stage 4). On your way you will pass by a place from where you have a nice view down on some parts of the city of Graz.

At the crossing you will encounter several yellow signposts referring to hiking trails.

  • The largest trail number: L
  • The smallest trail number: S
  • K = 2*L + S - N

Stage 6: N 47° L.(E+14)', E 015° K.Q' [New location in January 2007, new backup May 2014]

Search for a micro (pet preform since October 2015). Again two were hidden to provide a backup (for the second apply the offset N +0.006' E -0.008'). For both micros a hint and a spoiler photo are available. The current spoiler photo for micro 2 is not up to date - the tree got cut down.

Write down the coordinates provided in the container.

Final: (New hideout May 2014)

In May 2014 I moved the final by roughly 10m to allow for a better GPS reception and also for other reasons. To obtain the coordinates of the final apply the following offset to the minutes of coordinates you got at Stage 6:

N +0.007'
E -0.006'

Return way:

There are alternatives to the obvious way back even if you need to go back to your starting point. For example you can follow the path which leads to the cache further and then round the hill either to the left or to the right (longer and harder to find the route in the second part if you wish to minimize the involved height meters).

Verschlüsselter Hinweis   Entschlüsseln

[Stage 1, Stone:] Pybfr gb puncry
[Stage 2, Micro 2:] Sbex orgjrra gerr fghzc naq frpbaq fgrz bs gur gerr
[Stage 2, Micro 1:] Ebbgf bs n gerr jvgu znal fgrzf
[Stage 4:] Ybbx va rnfgjneq qverpgvba
[Stage 4, Check:] C qvivfvoyr ol A
[Stage 6, Micro 1:] Ynetr gerr fghzc
[Stage 6, Micro 2:] Abj n gerr fghzc, fgbar.
[Stage 7:] Haqre ynetr gerr fghzc



Spoiler: new final
Spoiler: new final
Spoiler: Stage 2, micro 1
Spoiler: Stage 2, micro 1
Spoiler: Stage 2, micro 2
Spoiler: Stage 2, micro 2
Spoiler: Stage 6, micro 1
Spoiler: Stage 6, micro 1
Spoiler: Stage 6, micro 2, close-up
Spoiler: Stage 6, micro 2, close-up
Spoiler: Stage 6, micro 2, general area
Spoiler: Stage 6, micro 2, general area


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Logeinträge für Quino's Relatives (Quino II)    gefunden 7x nicht gefunden 0x Hinweis 6x Wartung 4x

kann gesucht werden 23. Februar 2017 cezanne hat den Geocache gewartet

[EN:] I have uploaded two updated spoiler photos for Micro 2 at Stage 6 which have been kindly provided by asterix471 whose help is greatly appreciated.

[DE:] Ich habe zwei aktuelle Spoilerfotos fuer Micro 2 an Station 6 hochgeladen. Die Fotos wurden freundlicherweise von asterix471 zur Verfuegung gestellt. Vielen Dank!

kann gesucht werden 11. Dezember 2016 cezanne hat den Geocache gewartet

EN:] Today I visited Stages 4-6 and the final.

Stage 6, micro 1: The pet preform was lying around openly. The hint sheet was not readable. I added the information in duplicate and rehid and covered the pet preform.

Stage 6, micro 2: The tree was cut down. The pet preform now resides at the tree stump that remained. Note that the spoiler photo is currently not up to date. I'd welcome if the next visitor could send me a photo. I was not prepared today and could not recall how the hideout looked like.

Final: Ok. The laminated sheet of the GC was indeed not in the cache. Who has taken it along without logging it?

[DE:] Heute habe ich die Stationen 4-6 und das Finale besucht.

Station 6, Micro 1: Der Petling lag offen am Versteckobject. Der Zettel war nicht lesbar. Ich habe die Information in 2-facher Ausfuehrung dazugefuegt und den Petling dann versteckt und getarnt.

Station 6, Micro 2: Der Baum wurde niedergeschnitten. Der Petling befindet sich nun im Wurzelbereich des Baumstumpfs der zurueckblieb. Bitte beachten dass das Spoilerfoto im Moment nicht aktuell ist. Ich wuerde es begruessen, wenn der naechste Besucher mir ein Foto des Verstecks schicken koennte. Ich war heute nicht vorbereitet und konnte mich nicht mehr erinnern, wie es hier aussah.

Finale: Ok. Die laminierte Kopie einer GC war in der Tat nicht im Cache. Wer hat sie mitgenommen ohne sie zu loggen?

kann gesucht werden 23. Oktober 2015 cezanne hat den Geocache gewartet

[en]: Today I visited all stages and the final. I have exchanged all film canisters against pet preforms and all information sheets have been replaced. Moreover, I have made slight changes in the cache description. In particular I added some comments about alternative routes back and decided to provide the coordinates for one of the micros at Stages 2 and 6 and an offset for the other one while previously I provided an average value of the two coordinates. You can still do the cache with the old description. All hideouts remained the same. I recommend to take along the spoiler pictures for the micros.

[de:] Heute habe ich alle Stationen und das Finale besucht. Ich habe alle Filmdosen durch Petlinge ersetzt und alle Informationszettel wurden ersetzt. Ferner habe ich kleine Aenderungen in der Beschreibung geacht. Insbesondere habe ich einen Kommentar eingefügt zu alterativen Rückwegen und habe mich dazu entschlossen bei Station 2 und Station 6 die Koordinaten eines Micros anzugeben und einen Offset fuer die Backups waehrend ich zuvor einen Mittelwert fuer die Koordinaten verwendet hatte. Der Cache kann weiterhin mit der alten Beschreibung absolviert werden. Es hat sich nichts an den Verstecken geändert. Ich empfehle die Spoilerbilder fuer die Micros mitzunehmen.

Hinweis 23. Oktober 2015 cezanne hat eine Bemerkung geschrieben

[en:] After a longer thought process I decided to maintain this cache one last time (even though not many cachers seem to have an interest into this quite old cache). As mentioned in the maintenance log I equipped the micro stages with pet preforms. Right now is probably the best time to do this cache. The autumn colours are beautiful in particular on a nice day like today. (I will upload some photos to gc.com at a later time.)

Today I went back via an alternative route (follow the trail which leads to the cache further and then walk round the hill on the right side and then choose paths that lead you to Stage 4). I had nice views on the way. If your time budget allows it, I recommend to consider an alternative route back.

[de:] Als Ergebnis eines längeren Nachdenkprozesses habe ich mich dazu entschieden den Cache ein letztes Mal zu warten obgleich es ja nicht sehr viele Interessenten fuer diesen recht alten Cache gibt. Wie im Wartungslog beschrieben habe ich die Micro Stationen mit Petlingen bestückt. Derzeit ist vermutlich die beste Zeit für diesen Cache. Die Herbstfarben sind wunderschön, speziell an einem Tag wie heute. (Ich werde spaeter ein paar Fotos auf gc.com hochladen.)

Heute habe ich eine alternative Rueckroute gewaehlt (folge dem Weg der zum Cache fuehrt weiter und gehe dann rechts um den Huegel und waehle dann Wege die wieder zu STation 4 fuehren). Ich hatte nette Aussichten am Weg. Wer ausreichend Zeit mitbringt, sollte einen alternativen Rueckweg in Betracht ziehen.

kann gesucht werden 10. Mai 2014 cezanne hat den Geocache gewartet

[EN:] The recent logs and the kind help provided by SonschiO und epikurios motivated me to keep this cache. Let's see how long it will live.

As one of the micros at Stage 6 probably got lost and I wanted to visit the area again after having not been there for quite a while, I parked today close to parking lot P2 and headed off.

Both micros at Stage 2 were at its location. I provided a new container for one of them as the lid was missing. Moreover, I slightly updated the coordinates provided for this stage.

As the task at Stage 4 often causes problems to cachers, but I did not want to change the original character of the stage, I decided to provide an alternative task. Please mention in your log whether you used the alternative.

At Stage 6 I could find only one micro. It was the one who formerly had been placed in a small agglomeration of stones and was moved to a tree stump by someone else. I could not find the other micro, but this has happened to me also at a previous occasion when the micro was still there. Anyway, I have hidden a new second micro at a new location. For both micros I have added new spoiler photos and I slightly updated the coordinates provided for Stage 6.

The last change refers to the final. I moved the hideout by roughly 10m to a location with better reception. Moreover, I like the new hideout more than the old one. Please take into account the offset for the new final.

I'm looking forward to further visits with logs sharing the experiences of the finders.

[DE:] Die letzten Logs und die nette Hilfe durch SonschiO und epikurios haben mich dazu bewegt, den Cache noch nicht zu archivieren. Mal sehen, wie lang es ihn geben wird.

Da einer der Micros bei Station 6 vermutlich verschwunden ist und ich auch schon laenger nicht mehr in der Gegend war, war es an der Zeit wieder mal alle Stationen zu besuchen.

Bei Station 2 waren beide Micros vorhanden. Ich habe eine neue Filmdose für den einen hinterlassen, weil der Deckel der alten fehlte. Ferner habe ich die Koordinaten für Station 2 leicht angepasst.

Da die Aufgabe bei Station 4 immer wieder zu Problemen führte, ich aber den urspruenglichen Charakter der Station belassen wollte, habe ich mich dazu entschieden eine Alternative hinzuzufuegen. Bitte im Log anfuehren, ob die Alternative benutzt wurde.

Bei Station 6 konnte ich nur einen der Micros finden, und zwar jenen, der urspruenglich in einem kleinen Steinhaufen versteckt war und zu einem Baumstumpf daneben gewandert ist. Den anderen Micro habe ich nicht gefunden, aber das passierte mir schon einmal zu einem Zeitpunkt als er noch vorhanden war.
Auf jeden Fall habe ich einen neuen Micro an einer neuen Stelle versteckt als Backup. Neue Spoilerbilder sind verfuegbar. Auch bei Station 6 habe ich die Koordinaten minimal angepasst.

Die letzte Aenderung betrifft das Finale. Ich habe das Versteck um ca. 10 m verlegt. An der neuen Stelle gibt es besseren Empfang und mit gefaellt das neue Versteck besser. Bitte die Korrekturwerte fuer die Finalkoordinaten beachten.

Ich freue mich ueber weitere Besuche mit moeglichst aussagekraeftigen Logs.