Chacun à son goût

von cezanne     Österreich > Südösterreich > Graz

N 46° 56.000' E 015° 27.800' (WGS84)

 andere Koordinatensysteme
 Größe: klein
Status: kann gesucht werden
 Zeitaufwand: 2:30 h 
 Versteckt am: 29. Januar 2006
 Gelistet seit: 11. Februar 2006
 Letzte Änderung: 23. Dezember 2016
 Listing: http://opencaching.de/OC1782
Auch gelistet auf: geocaching.com 

8 gefunden
0 nicht gefunden
5 Bemerkungen
2 Wartungslogs
0 Beobachter
1 Ignorierer
106 Aufrufe
0 Logbilder
2 Empfehlungen

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Beschreibung    English

English description

This combined 6 stage mystery-multi cache leads you to a forest area. All stages except the final one are question to answer stages where you need to answer questions. The fields puzzle attribute is set because at Stages 2 and 5 questions need to be answered which require general knowledge.

Preliminaries (Please read this part before you start your hunt!)
  • The coordinates in the header are fictive!
  • Plan to spend 2-3 hours for the cache.
  • Long trousers and water-tight shoes (at least in some seasons) are recommended as you might end up in thorny or wet areas, in particular if you do not find the right paths (some of the paths shown on maps hardly exist in reality). For that reason I have set the terrain rating to 2.5* (borderline to 3* in some seasons). The technical difficulty never exceeds 2*.
  • This cache is not an ideal choice for the extended family (small children, parents, grandparents) when the family looks for a short stroll after lunch wearing Sunday clothes.
  • To fully enjoy this cache you should enjoy outdoor experiences, some basic orienteering challenges and be not bumped off by having to collect a number of variables, some of which will need some time to determine.
  • You can determine to some extent how large a challenge you would like to have. The intermediary stages can be reached in various manners, the most difficult being the trackless approach without usage of a GPS-device and the easiest being following paths most of the time and with GPS-usage.
  • There is no fixed order for visiting the intermediary stages. Two suggested orders are the increasing order starting from Stage 1 or the decreasing order starting from Stage 5. It makes sense to visit Stages 2 and 3 together. The cache is hidden somewhere in the middle of the area.
  • If you come by car, you can choose between two well-suited possibilities for leaving your car: Either north-east of Stage 1 or not far from Stage 5. If you do not mind to park at the edge of a road, there exist other possibilities as well.
  • The cache can be done also when there is snow. It will, however, become much more strenuous to reach the stages in a trackless manner under such conditions.
  • Please take care to avoid spoilers in your log!

Stage 0: At a place of your choice

Your first job will consist in determining the general cache area which lies within a circle with radius 15 km around the coordinates given in the header.

Your basic tool for this cache will be the following treasure map.

The following comments should assist you in interpreting the treasure map in the right way.
  • The map is based on a section of the AMAP and is drawn to scale (1:50000). Most details are left out.
  • The map shows five locations that play a role in this cache and are marked each by a circle with an enclosed number. The black curve pieces depict pieces of paths which are however drawn in a unified way regardless of their importance and size to make your task more difficult.
  • The puzzle below will provide you with a hint for the location 4 on the treasure map. This should enable you to calibrate the treasure map with the AMAP (that's an important step in particular to identify Stage 3!)

The Puzzle


The solution to the puzzle consists of a word which consists of two parts P1 and P2.
Let us start with the second part which will be easier to obtain for most of you, and which might also help you to direct your thoughts about the first part into the right direction.

  • P2: The second part of the word (in German) associated with the right half of the picture above.
  • P1: The first part of the last name (adopted name) of the man depicted in the left half of the picture above. This man, an illegitimate child of poor parents, lived in the last century, was born in Upper-Austria and died in Germany still in his thirties.
  • Q1: The first name of the man depicted in the left half of the picture above.
  • Q2: The first part of the word associated with the right half of the picture above.
  • X: Determine all letters which occur in both Q1 and Q2. Add up their position numbers in the alphabet to obtain X.

Stage 1: Location 1

Task 1: (Changed December 2016): There used to be a prohibition sign at this location which apparently got lost. Around the key object at this location you will find wooden posts. How many approximately? ´

Set A depending on the answer.
  • A=4: 0-3 posts
  • A=6: 4-6 posts
  • A=3: 7-9 posts
  • A=7: 10-12 posts
  • A=5: more than 12 posts
Task 2: Look around yourself. Which of the following objects can you see not far from the pond? Do not let you trick by the vegetation which is denser than it used to be when the cache got hidden.

Set B depending on the answer as follows:
  • B=11: raised-hide
  • B=25: bridge
  • B=34: bench
  • B=41: fodder-rack
  • B=49: a small wooden hut

Stage 2: Location 2

When I stumbled years ago by chance over this location, I was quite surprised about it. All questions are to be answered from the outside!

Task 3: (changed in July 2014) Watch out for a large round hole in the wall (at ground level) that formerly contained a big fan that I referred to as "wheel of time".

Choose C depending on where the hole is located as follows:
  • C=3: to the left of the first large square
  • C=7: between the first and the second square
  • C=5: between the second and the third square
  • C=6: between the third and the fourth square
  • C=4: to the right of the fourth square
In case of doubt consult the hint.
Task 4: Watch out for a name (consisting of two words) which can be seen as a strong commitment of faith (formulated in a modern way).
  • D: The sum of the position numbers of the first letters of these two words in our alphabet.

Task 5:
Determine the two colours (meanwhile a bit faded out, but still recognizable, ignore the surrounding black) which dominate the arrangement of the name referred to in Task 4 . Find out the European country whose national flag is coloured with these two colours (and no other ones) and which breaks up into the largest number of pieces (=parts of the flag that are coloured with a different colour than the neighbouring area).
  • F: The number of vowels (not necessarily distinct) in the name of the capital of the country determined above.
  • G: The number of other countries that can be reached from the country above by road connections without visiting any other country inbetween.

Task 6: (Changed in 2012 since the coat of arms went missing except a very small rest of it) Watch out for a green door.
  • H: The number of small windows in the first floor (upper floor) of the building into which the green door leads to (the door got trampled and damaged in 2014 according to edorian, so look carefully!; it's not the same building than the one used for obtaining C!)

Stage 3: Location 3

This location (do not confuse it with Stage 2!) has changed in recent years. On the AMAP at Stage 3 two objects are shown. The smaller of the two is hardly visible nowadays as it is very overgrown. As I do not want to send you into thorny areas, I decided to change the tasks at this stage.

Task 7: (Changed in 2012) From Stage 3 continue further on the path that brings you from Stage 2 to Stage 3. After less than 200m (from Stage 3, not Stage 2) you should come to an area where you encounter several border stones all of the same type.
  • M: The number that results by translating the two letters that can be found on each of the boundary stones by means of the keypad code of portable phones. (Do not compute the sum and replace each letter by a single digit!)
  • J: Set J depending on the predominant colour of the border stones as follows
    • J=20: white
    • J=50: blue
    • J=30: yellow
    • J=60: orange
    • J=40: red

Stage 4: Location 4

Task 8: What is the predominant colour of the facade of the main object at this location?
  • O: Set O depending on the colour as follows
    • O=7: pure white
    • O=19: yellow
    • O=26: green
    • O=31: dark brown
    • O=41: red

Task 9: Measure the coordinates of Stage 4.
  • P: The integral part of the minutes of the latitude.
  • Q: The integral part of the minutes of the longitude.

Stage 5: Location 5

Task 10: What is the name of the person playing the key role at this place? (In case of doubt take the person who lived a very long time ago.)
  • S: The position of the first letter of the person's name in the alphabet.

Task 11: What is the name of the permanent floral decoration at this place (i.e., the place associated with the previous task)? [In case of doubt please consult the hint.]
  • R: The position of the first letter of the floral name in the alphabet.

Stage 6: The cache N 46° P.T', E 015° Q.U' (New hideout 2012)

  • T = (M-H-3) * (B-A) - F*O + S
  • U = (C+D+G+H+J) * R - 5*X + F

In May 2012 I moved the hideout as the area around the old one has changed to its negative considerably within the last years.

The reception in the target area is not the best. I recommend to bring along the spoiler photos. If you end up in a thorny area, you are wrong. You might try to apply the offset N +0.005' and E +0.015' to the calculated final coordinates.

The cache box is a small lock and lock container. It is covered with pieces of bark and wood to avoid that it is found by chance. As the box is not very large, large trading items and large TBs will not fit into the box.

Please be careful when retrieving and rehiding the cache. It is not too far from the nearest paths (of which there exist a great number in the target area).

Verschlüsselter Hinweis   Entschlüsseln

[EN, Puzzle, P1:] Bpgbore Gjraglfvk, Yvam
[EN, Stage 1, B:] AJ
[EN, Stage 2, C:] Nqq gjb gb gur ahzore bs yrggref bs gur oyhr jbeq (evtug bs ubyr).
[EN, Stage 2, D, Hint:] Yrsg bs ynetr ragenapr
[EN, Stage 2, H, Check:] Rira
[EN, Stage 2, Sanity check:] Fhz bs ahzoref bognvarq ng Fgntr 2 qvivfvoyr ol sbhe.
[EN, Stage 5, Hint 1:] sybjre
[EN, Stage 5, Hint 2:] juvgr, abg va infr/cbg
[EN, Cache, Hint:] gerr fghzc, pybfr gb tebhcf bs sve gerrf



Spoiler: Hideout (close-up), 2016
Spoiler: Hideout (close-up), 2016
Spoiler: Hideout (general area), 2016
Spoiler: Hideout (general area), 2016
Spoler: Hideout (close-up), 2016: Cache at left side of photo
Spoler: Hideout (close-up), 2016: Cache at left side of photo


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kann gesucht werden 23. Dezember 2016 cezanne hat den Geocache gewartet

Today I visited Stages 1, 2, 4 and the final. I exchanged the old container against a new one and added new spoiler photos which take into account how the area has changed since 2012. Moreover, I adapted the description of Stage 1 and provided an offset for the final coordinates which might be a bit off.

The cache is now again ready for further visitors. This maintenance run will be the last one. If the cache will have an issue in the future, I will let it go and archive it. If you have already invested time into the cache, try to visit it within the next couple of months.

Please find details on my changes below.

Stage 1: The prohibition sign got lost - I added a new question for A. The nearby object (needed for B) is still there, but is harder to see than back when I have hidden this cache. I added a few extra words to the description and a hint for where to look.

Stage 2: Everything alright. When a cacher contacted me a few days ago when I was away from Graz, I got confused about C. The wheel got lost some years ago, but this change has already been taken already into account in the cache description quite some time ago. Nevertheless I added an extra hint which provides an alternative manner to obtain C just in case someone else runs into the same problem.

Stage 4: Ok.

Final: Coming from the wrong direction I ended up in a thorny area myself. I could not remember how exactly the hideout looked like and I did not have the spoiler photo with me. The area has changed since my last visit. The frozen ground did not make things easier. Finally I found the cache container under some frozen camouflage which I had to remove with some gentle application for force.

As the log book was damp and the cache container quite dirty (which probably caused it to leak a bit), I decided to leave a new container and a new log book. I forgot however to bring a zip lock bag for the log book - right now it is wrapped into a thin and not very adequate plastic bag. Could the next finder please be so kind to help me out and place the log book into a zip lock bag (1l or smaller) - the log book is a small orange spiral note book as it is often used for caches.

Today the reception was somehow jumpy. I obtained the impression that my coordinates are a bit off. I took a new measurement (averaged over 200 readings) but unfortunately I was so clumsy to delete this new waypoint when I was in a hurry due to some other obligation. I tried to reconstruct the measurement from my track data and added the resulting offset of N + 0.005' and E + 0.015' to the cache description (as an offset you could try to use if you happen to have problems to find the cache). If I get confirmation that the resulting coordinates are better than the old ones, I will adapt the formula for the final - so far I left it unchanged. Future finders are invited to send me the coordinates they obtained at the final location.

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Hinweis 17. September 2015 cezanne hat eine Bemerkung geschrieben

I slightly adapted the colour list for variable O at Stage 4 to remove any potential ambiguity which weather induced changes over the years might have caused. Thanks for the detailed log feedback (on gc.com).

kann gesucht werden 12. Juli 2014 cezanne hat den Geocache gewartet

The wheel of time at Stage 2 is gone. I thank Edorian for having mentioned his problems in the log (something not normal any longer) which made me aware of the issue. I changed the question for variable C. So please either use the new description or update the question for C on your printout. Everything else stayed the same.

Das Rad der Zeit bei Station 2 ist verschwunden. Ich bedanke mich bei Edorian, dass er seine Probleme im Log erwaehnt hat (heutzutage leider nicht mehr der Normalfall) und ich daher auf das Problem aufmerksam wurde. Ich habe die Frage fuer C veraendert. Bitte die neue Beschreibung nutzen oder die Frage zur Variable C aum Ausdruck aktualisieren. Alles andere blieb unveraendert.

Hinweis 18. Mai 2012 cezanne hat eine Bemerkung geschrieben

I modified the tasks at Stages 2 and 3, relocated the cache container and added a spoiler photograph. Moreover, I rewrote parts of the introductory section of the cache description to make it more clear to which audience this cache is directed and to avoid disappointments. For these reasons I recommend to create a new printout and not use the old one.

The reason why I moved the cache container is that the area around the old hideout has changed unfavourably. Due to tree cutting activities some years ago, parts of the area started to get overgrown.
The old hideout was better protected against water, but I hope that the old container (which was still in good condition in May 2012) will survive in the new hideout even though not being one of these modern fancy lock and lock containers. In case you are interested into this cache, plan to visit it in 2012 as I do not want to further maintain it in the long run.

gefunden Empfohlen 23. Dezember 2008 divingbrothers hat den Geocache gefunden

Mal wieder ein etwas (im positiven Sinne) "anderer" Cache :-)

Lange hat er mich abgeschreckt. Vielleicht wegen des (für mich) unaussprechlichen Namens? oder wegen der langen Beschreibung? Keine Ahnung...

Nun wars aber an der Zeit, und so hab ich mir den Rätselteil mal genauer angeschaut. Der war eigentlich (wider Erwarten) ziemlich leicht.
Bei der Lokalisierung der Schatzkarte hatte ich so meine Probleme. Mir war klar wonach ich suche, war aber in der falschen ecke unterwegs :-)

Nach einem Hinweis der ownerin, ging alles wie von selbst. Bis auf den Final war das GPS beinahe nur ein Begleiter.

Die Antworten waren (mit den Hints) schnell ermittelt.
Die Gegend um Stage2 war mir schon bekannt, weil es mich da mal (zufällig) mit meinrm Motorrad dahin verschlagen hat.

Alles in Allem ein wirklich netter Cache, der weit weniger aufwändig war als "befürchtet".