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A Walk to the Past

 A somewhat challenging combined puzzle-multi cache in Graz which deals with the past

von cezanne     Österreich > Südösterreich > Graz

N 47° 03.900' E 015° 27.100' (WGS84)

 andere Koordinatensysteme
 Größe: klein
Status: kann gesucht werden
 Versteckt am: 04. September 2003
 Gelistet seit: 23. August 2005
 Letzte Änderung: 04. Juni 2016
 Listing: http://opencaching.de/OC006D
Auch gelistet auf: geocaching.com 

18 gefunden
1 nicht gefunden
3 Bemerkungen
3 Wartungslogs
2 Beobachter
0 Ignorierer
1834 Aufrufe
2 Logbilder
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English description


This multi-cache consists of four stages, all of which lie inside the city of Graz. It furthermore requires a preparatory phase to determine the coordinates of the first stage. The first three stages are intermediate stages, only at the fourth stage a cache container is to be found.

This cache bears some similarities with my cache Artistical Variations. It is again a cache where the main idea is to lead you to places in Graz which are not that well-known, but which I regard as interesting, both from the architectural point of view and from the historical point of view. The cache will probably challenge you more on the intellectual side than on the physical side.


Important information: (Please read this part before you start your hunt!)
  • The starting coordinates given for this cache are fictive ones and are of no significance.
  • This cache is not suited if you are eager for a quick and cheap find. It is also not well-suited for short-term visitors of Graz due to the time it takes.
  • Since this cache requires quite some effort, I have set up a virtual cache, the A Walk to the Past - Virtual Bonus Cache. This virtual cache is closely connected to this cache and should serve both as a reward and as a source of motivation for doing this cache. The virtual cache can only be done after having successfully completed this cache. If you are interested into doing the virtual cache, do not forget to read the information sheet in the cache, and to write down the two numbers which are given there.
  • Those cachers who complete this cache in one go (i.e., without returning home between the stages) deserve special credit.
  • The cache hunt will lead you to some buildings with restricted opening times. It is, however, not necessary to enter any of these buildings for the sake of the cache hunt. Visits of the buildings are strongly recommended, but separate visits not connected to geocaching activities seem to be more meaningful and appropriate.
  • Some of the historical background associated with the places to which this cache will lead you is serious and sad. For that reason, I underwent a special effort to set up this cache in a manner which avoids any disrespectful treatment of the matter.
  • Since the stages of this multi-cache are not always close to each other, but finding a suitable place to leave a car might be quite hard, it is very recommendable to do this cache by bicycle.
  • It is recommendable to take a map of Graz with you. Good shoes might be an asset at the final stage.
  • Note that upper and lower case variables, like a and A, have to be distinguished! Upper-case variables are only used temporarily and are not needed again at later stages.
  • To help you not to get lost in some sort of chaos, I am providing two tables (see Table for the variables and Table for the coordinates of the stages).
  • The set of trading items for this cache is (strictly) restricted to coins which are not any longer valid means of payment.


Stage 0: At a place of your choice

Stage 1 will lead you to a church (let us call it C for notational convenience) which is located in one of the inner districts of Graz (i.e., in the first six). Below some information on the church C is given, but not its name. You need to deal with the following questions and tasks.

Question 1: In the church C an interesting sacral work of art can be found which depicts two cruel dictators amidst a religious scenery. Find out which church is meant. (You will need to visit it at Stage 1.)

Question 2: Find out the name of the artist who created the work of art referred to above. Let us call him Mr U.
  • A: The number which is obtained by applying the following procedure to the artist's first name: Replace each letter by the digit which is associated with this letter on the key-pad of portable phones.
  • B: The number which is obtained from the last name of Mr U by proceeding in the same way as for his first name.
  • a: The absolute value of the difference of the numbers A and B.
  • b: The iterated cross-foot of the year in which the work of art has been finished. (I.e., sum up all digits of the year, and repeat this procedure with the obtained result iteratively until you end up with a result with a single digit. For example, the iterated cross-foot of 987654 is 3 with 39 and 12 being the results of the intermediate calculations.)
  • c: The number of letters of the name of the city in which Mr U died. (Note: If you come across contradictory information, take the city which lies in the country of which Mr U was a citizen at the time of his death.)
Question 3: Mr U has been invited to become a member of a famous organization of German artists at quite a young age.
  • d: The number of letters of the full name of this organization (two words).
Question 4: Find out the name of the artist who acted as president of the organization referred to above at the time when Mr U became its member. Let us call this artist Mr V.
  • e: The number of letters of the first name of Mr V.
Question 5: The last name of Mr V is also the name of a city. There exist parts of the Bible in the names of which this city plays a role.
  • f: The number of parts of the Bible which fit the above description. (Note that only those parts whose existence is known for sure and which are part of today's editions of the Bible are to be counted.)


Stage 1: At Church C

Go to church C and find a plaque at the outside of the building.

Question 6:
  • g: The earliest year mentioned on the plaque.
Question 7: The text on the plaque contains the names of two artists who created works that can be found inside the church. Here we are interested into the one who lived earlier. Let us call him Mr W.
  • h: The cross-foot (=sum of digits) of the number corresponding to the first letter of the first name of Mr W via the code A=1, B=2, ..., Z=26.
  • H: The number of letters of the first name of Mr W.
Question 8:
  • i: Number of horizontal bars of the cross at the top of the tower. (Do not take into account the different manners that exist to create such a cross, just the appearance the cross creates when viewed from far away.)

Question 9:
  • j: The first digit after the comma of the decimal number which represents the minutes of the longitude of the location of Stage 1.

Some calculations:
  • P = (b*c-30)*(d-e-h)
  • Q = a-g+P
  • R = e^3*f^3
  • p = Q/R
  • q = (b+d)
  • D = (g-q/2+H-e)
  • F=d*i
  • r=D/F


Stage 2: N 47° p', E 015° q.0r'.

You will find yourself close to a building which is an interesting mixture of old and new. Nearby you will find an information plaque providing some facts about a person who spent some years in Graz. Let us call him Mr Z.

Question 10: Determine the (d-b)-th word of the text on the plaque. This word arises in the title of several works of art. Here we are interested into the most famous among those. Who created it and in which city can it be found today?
  • m: The number of letters in the artist's name (the commonly used name, not the full one) until the first A occurs (the A is not to be included into the counting).
  • n: Find the name of the river flowing through the city you have just obtained above. Associate each of the letters arising in the river's name with the digit which corresponds to it on the key-map of a portable phone. Let n be the largest digit obtained in this manner.
Question 11: The plaque tells you the cities where Mr Z was born and died, respectively. You need to find out the countries in which these cities lie today (as of 2003). Determine the country codes which identify motorized vehicles from these countries.
  • s: Translate the country codes into numbers via the key-pad of a portable phone and subtract the smaller number from the larger one. Call the result s.
Question 12: The plaque tells you the cities in which Mr Z has studied until earning his Ph.D. degree. Among these cities, there is one where Olympic Summer Games have taken place.
  • t: The cross-foot (=sum of digits) of the year in which the Olympic Games referred to above took place.
Question 13: ) Now walk around the building (if this is not possible, use Question 13b instead). Interesting, isn't it? At the outside of the building you can somewhere find two numbers separated by a slash.
  • k: The number before the slash.
  • l: The number after the slash.
Question 13b: (Workaround for Question 13) Watch out for two signs which contain an arrow and mention the name of a company.
  • l: The position of the German umlaut letter in the company name (full name, only letters count).
  • k: k=l*(n+1)
Question 14: Determine the bridge over the river Mur which is closest to Stage 2.
  • o: Number which is associated with the first letter of the name of the bridge via the code (A=1, B=2, ...).

Some more calculations:
  • u = s-t-k/l-n+o
  • v = (d+s)/2


Stage 3: N 47° 0e.cmu', E 015° v.nuj'.

You find yourself close to a crossing. Starting from here you need in any case to continue on foot. Take the path leading to the south-east and follow it until you arrive at a large building. Watch out for a plaque at the outside of the building. The plaque honors two men.

Question 15:
  • w: The number of years one of the two men died later than the other one (Disregard the months in which they died - take into account only the years of their death.)
  • x: The overall number of letters of the name of the place (two words) which has been founded (begründet in German) by one of the two men.

Some final calculations:
  • y = (w+7)/(x^2)
  • Z = k-6*l+j*o/2
  • z = Z/(x^3)

Calculation of the coordinates of Stage 4:

The coordinates of Stage 4 are obtained from Stage 3 by the following procedure:
  • Subtract y from the minutes of the latitude corresponding to Stage 3.
  • Add z to the minutes of the longitude corresponding to Stage 3.
  • The remaining parts of the coordinates are the same as for Stage 3.



Stage 4: Coordinates as computed above.

Since September 2014 you can choose between the following two options to reach the final.

Option 1: (Letterbox like clues, following the original idea of the cache dating back to 2003)
You will find yourself close to an object to which a sign with w+3 letters is attached. Follow the path which passes by the object downhill until you arrive at a crossing with another trail. At this crossing turn left and follow the path downhill. Soon a small path leads into a ditch to your right. Turn right into this path and after a few steps start to climb up the slope to your left. Watch out for an eye-catching stump of a former large tree with multiple stems. There you will find the cache container. Rehide it well.

Option 2 (the more boring one):
If you fail to find the cache with the above clues or absolutely want to use coordinates (be warned the reception is not very good), you can calculate coordinates for the final by the following offset from the coordinates of Stage 3:
  • N: -(w+7)*x/1000'
  • E: +(w+5)*x/1000'

The cache container is a small lock and lock container and contains no trading items. Good luck!

Please note the following:
  • For approaching the hiding location you can stay on paths, except for the very last part for which good shoes are recommend (the T=2.5* rating applies to the final).
  • You are asked to be very careful not to disclose the hiding place and to leave the hiding place as you found it. Special care is neeeded on sunny days when many walkers are around.
  • When logging the cache, please avoid to add any form of spoilers to your log entry, regardless of whether encrypted or not. (It took me quite some effort to formulate the questions in a way that they are concise, but do not give away any information unintentionally.)



Verschlüsselter Hinweis   Entschlüsseln

[Stage 0:] Fgnvarq-tynff jvaqbjf.
[Cache:] va gur zvqqyr

A|B|C|D|E|F|G|H|I|J|K|L|M
N|O|P|Q|R|S|T|U|V|W|X|Y|Z

Bilder

Table for entering the variables / Tabelle zum Eintragen der Variablen
Table for entering the variables / Tabelle zum Eintragen der Variablen
Table for entering the coordinates of the stages/ Tabelle zum Eintragen der Koordinaten der Stationen
Table for entering the coordinates of the stages/ Tabelle zum Eintragen der Koordinaten der Stationen

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gefunden Der Cache ist in gutem oder akzeptablem Zustand. 12. August 2016 robaelda hat den Geocache gefunden

heute reisten wir nach graz um diesen aufwändigen mystery zu absolvieren. unser eigentliches ziel war aber sein dazugehöriges bonusdoserl!
obwohl schon viel nachforschungsarbeit im vorfeld erledigt wurde, erreichten wir erst spätabends die finallocation. das doserl konnten wir dort aber schnell entdecken - zu dieser uhrzeit völlig muggelfrei.
für ro war dieser spaziergang ein besonderes erlebnis - er konnte viele kindheitserinnerungen auffrischen - auch die finallocation war oft ein ausflugsziel mit seinen großeltern!
danke für diesen mystery - das thema hat uns auch im nachhinein sehr beschäftigt - und für die rasche logfreigabe fürs bonusdoserl. möge es noch lange weiterleben als fast letztes seiner art in österreich! Cool

tftc, team robaelda

kann gesucht werden 04. Juni 2016 cezanne hat den Geocache gewartet

[EN:] Today I visited the area of the final. Some trees got cut down and the iron construction that has been referred to in the "letterbox clues" for the final disappeared. The cache container was at its place and in proper condition.

I made the following two changes:

(1) I modified the letterbox-like description for reaching the final.

(2) I moved the final container from a tree stump that got partially destroyed to a larger one nearby.

PS: I wonder how jumper08 and Carmen could have solved this multi stage mystery cache already in advance and I also wonder where they searched for the container. (I did not receive a reply to two requests - not that helpful to motivate me to continue maintaining my caches.)

[DE:] Heute habe ich das Finalgebiet aufgesucht. Einige Baeume wurden niedergeschnitten und die Eisenkonstruktion, auf die sich die letterbox-artige Beschreibung für das Finale bezogen hatte, ist nicht mehr vor Ort. Der Cachebehälter war an seinem Platz und in gutem Zustand.

Ich habe die folgenden zwei Änderungen umgesetzt:

(1) Ich habe die letterbox-artige Beschreibung des Zugangs zum Finale modifiziert.

(2) Anstatt im bisherigen Versteck, einem Baumstumpf, der teilweise zerstört wurde, befindet sich der Cachebehälter nun bei einem größeren Baumstumpf.

Ich frage mich wie jumper08 und Carmen diesen Cache mit mehreren Stationen bereits im Vorfeld lösen konnten und ich frage mich auch wo nach der Dose gesucht wurde. (Auf zwei Anfragen meinerseits wurde leider nicht geantwortet - nicht gerade förderlich für meine Motivation meine Caches noch weiter zu pflegen.)

kann gesucht werden 19. September 2014 cezanne hat den Geocache gewartet

[EN:] As the logbook disappeared mysteriously and as I exchanged the glas container with a (larger) lock and lock container, I decided to move the cache to a new hideout. The description of Stage 4 has been changed accordingly. In addition to the letterbox like clues I also added a second option based on coordinates, but would prefer if the cachers gave the first option at least a try. It also keeps the spirit of the cache which has been hidden 11 years ago. The new hideout is a bit harder to reach and consequently I increased the T-rating to 2.5* (this applies however only to the very last part to the final).

The cache is ready to be found again. New container, new logbook, new hideout. The cache recently celebrated its 11-th birthday.


[DE:] Da das Lobuch auf mysterioese Weise verschwunden ist und ich den Glasbehaelter gegen eine Lock und Lock Dose (etwas groesser) auswechseln wollte, habe ich mich dazu entschieden den Cache an einem neuen Platz zu verstecken. Die Beschreibung von Station 4 wurde dementsprechend veraendert. Ich habe zusaetzlich zu den letterbox-artigen Hinweisen auch einen zweite Variante den Cache anzusteuern dazugefuegt, würde mich aber freuen, wenn alle Cacher der ersten Option eine Chance gaeben. Dies entspricht auch der Idee des Caches, der vor 11 Jahren versteckt wurde. Das neue Versteck ist etwas schwerer zu erreichen und daher habe ich die T-Bewertung auf 2.5* angehoben (bezieht sich aber nur auf die letzten Meter zum Cache).


Der Cache ist bereit fuer weitere Finder. Neuer Behaelter, neues Logbuch, neues Versteck. Der Cache feierte kuerzlich seinen 11. Geburtstag.

momentan nicht verfügbar 09. September 2014 cezanne hat den Geocache deaktiviert

As apparently the log book (but not the container and the enclosed info sheet) disappeared mysteriously, I will disable the cache. I need to visit the location and fix the issue. If someone wants to finish the cache soon, please contact me before leaving a replacement log book.

Da offenbar das Logbuch verloren gegangen ist (aber nicht der Behaelter und das beigelegte Infoblatt), deaktiviere ich den Cache. Ich muss den Cacheort besuchen, um das Problem zu beheben. Wenn jemand den Cache bald abschliessen moechte, bitte mich kontaktieren und nicht einfach ein Ersatzlogbuch ohne Absprache hinterlassen.

gefunden 13. März 2011 tomduck hat den Geocache gefunden

Auch diesen Cache habe ich im Jänner 2010 begonnen. Die Heimarbeit erforderte schon einiges, aber auch die Stationen 1 und 2 hatten es teilweise in sich (wenn man sich - so wie ich - mit Kunst und deren Richtungen nie wirklich auseinandergesetzt hat). Daher konnte ich immer nur Teile der Fragen direkt vor Ort beantworten und für den Rest musste ich dann zu Hause das Internet bemühen, um sicher zu gehen. Irgendwann hatte ich dann Koordinaten, die plausibel erschienen und so bin ich heute dann Richtung Station 3 aufgebrochen. Die Fragen dort waren vergleichsweise einfach zu beantworten. Station 4 war dann auch schnell gefunden und ich bin der Beschreibung genau gefolgt - nur bei dem Baum bin ich nicht fündig geworden. Ist jetzt dieser oder dieser Baum gemeint und in welcher Entfernung überhaupt? Also alle Bäume in der näheren Umgebung abgesucht - nichts gefunden. Ok, dann halt nicht. Und dann, als ich den Weg zurück schon angetreten bin, habe ich den Cache doch noch gefunden - offen unter der Eisenkonstruktion beim Baum liegend. Ich habe ihn laut Beschreibung versteckt.
TFTC